they robbed the republicans of that sense of leadership, of govern ability and robbed them, i think, and reduced the brand of the republican party even more. >> is it a fundamental disagreement over what governing is? >> yeah, i think that that is part of it. i think what they con answer is how are they going to get a better result. >> that's right. >> when you go over the cliff. or later on in these negotiations. because they're not. this actually undermines their negotiating power and position which because it is a foolish position to be in. but it does, it raises some really big issues. i mean one of them here is that we now have a president and a speaker who both wanted a deal, okay. by every account they wanted a deal. they tried it twice. and they couldn't make it happen. now i don't think they can make it happen. it's a serious kind of governing challenge right now. if you look we've got a short term political crisis am we have a long-term fiscal crisis. and we're providing no confidence what so ever that we can approach those things as a government in a mature way. we look in